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Attending: Valerie Smothers, staff; Panos Bamidis, Stathis Konstantinidis, Litsa Mitsopoulou, Maria Nikolaidou, Karen Ngowe, Carl Singer, Daniela Giordano

Valerie asked the group to introduce themselves.

Karen is an instructional designer form the CDC and is looking forward to learning more about the group.

Panos is from Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, and he is involved in meducator, a European Commission funded project.

Maria is an associate of Panos at Aristoel and is also working as project manager of meducator.

Stathis works in IT at Aristotle University.

Litsa is from St. George’s University of London. She works with Panos, Maria, and Stathis on the meducator project.

Carl Singer is the Director of e-learning systems at CECity.

1 Implementation updates

Valerie asked Healthcare LOM implementers to provide an update on their implementation work.

Carl commented that they had been early adopters of MedBiquitous standards. They have made minor changes to the specifications specific to their e-learning platform. These standards internally for communication with the next generation platform. They'll seize healthcare along with third party sites with which they integrate. They also use MedBiquitous activity report for reporting results.

One way the standard is used is with regard to different types of professional content. People search for physician content, nursing education all based on credit type. They have added the code for profession that allows their system to organize information for end-users. They made use of the normal extension mechanisms.

Valerie asked Karen if the CDC had implemented. Karen offered to ask Erik Emde, who works for CDC University.

Panos commented that in mEducator they have built a healthcare Lom editor for describing learning resources. They have started the work of extending the standard. He is hoping MedBiquitous can incorporate the work that they are doing. Lita can further discuss the mEducator metadata schema.

Litsa added that mEducator aims to share resources across European medical institutions. They are developing a metadata schema using healthcare long and extending back with repurposing data. They are also emphasizing the pedagogical aspects of the learning object describing assessment methods, learning outcomes, etc. Some of these notions are not reflected in healthcare lom.

Litsa explained that repurposing is a process in which a resource is used for a different purpose. The resource may be translated to another language, there may be a change of content, change for a different culture, a change in technical format, etc. In healthcare lom, the relation category can be used. But repurposing type can’t be depicted there. So they added repurposing type element, and repurposing context (reason for repurposing).

They will publish a second version of the schema, at the end of July. There will be upcoming meetings where they continue improving.

Panos asked if there should be a joint meeting between this MedBiquitous group and the meducator group in July. He also asked how the IEEE lom was being updated.

Valerie offered to contact Eric Duval to get an update on IEEE progress for the next call. She will also work with mEducator schedule a joint call in July.

Panos explains that mEducator will link objects through the repurposing history. There is also the notion that they will link creators of objects through social networking environments. They will see if this has an impact on effective use of resources.

Valerie asked Carl if they had used social networking in the learning environment. Carl commented that there are conversations around content, but he is not sure how they are leveraging it in their next-generation platforms. He added that he would be very interesting in seeing how mEducator unfolds and what lessons can be learned for platform and content Integration.

Panos commented there is a lot of experimentation that they want to do. There are not enough standards in this area. Carl commented that one thing worth looking at was describing web services for communication. Panos agreed this was probably the way forward.

Carl asked if mEducator membership is open to other organizations. Panels commented that they do have a notion of associate membership, and there is form on their website. If you indicate that you are a MedBiquitous member, you will likely be approved and then you can follow the discussions.

Karen commented that within CDC their training is disjointed and they are behind in using repositories. No one knows where everything exists because content is developed by different groups. They are Talking to ADL about developing a public health wide learning object repository. But they are taking baby steps.

2 Specification maintenance discussion

Valerie explained that at this stage of the standards lifecycle there normally quarterly meetings. We will have a joint meeting next month to address the issues Panos brought up.

3 Education needs assessment

Valerie explained that she was looking at developing workshops and webinars and was hoping to target areas where there were real needs related to implementing the standards.

Daniela commented that they are introducing pedagogical elements into the metadata schema. This will help address educational needs related to curriculum implementation.

Panos commented that at the time Aristotle joined, the executive board agreed because they trusted him. But the medical staff does not understand the notion of standards or the need for metadata. Much of what is involved in mEducator is technical. There are quite a few members interested in learning about it using standards, but they have no impression of how this is useful. You need to elaborate and educate through webinars. We need convincing cases about how useful standards can be. First you need material, then you place it in a learning resource, then you need to prepare the metadata in the standard way. They are working on a way to demonstrate that. Valerie offered to work together with Panos on this. She thought AAMC might be willing to participate in a workshop or webinar.

Litsa commented that first we need to get those involved to understand there is a need to create metadata. Second or the technical limitations of the standard. And metadata editor can address that. She recommended helping end-users to feel familiar with their tools. Valerie agreed that usability was very important.

Stathis commented that they come across notions that the medical teacher's not going to fill in all of the metadata. They are examining the trends, looking at teacher feedback, and thinking of reducing some of the fields. Valerie agreed that was an excellent point that may be used in a best practices for implementation guide. 

4 Open discussion

Litsa commented that this group should also be aware of the metadata for learning resources activity based on Dublin core. Valerie offered to look this up for the group. Daniela added that iCooper is another project that the group should be aware of and that Panos can find out about.

Action items

  • Valerie will contact Eric Duval to get an update on IEEE progress for the next call.
  • Valerie will work with mEducator to schedule a joint call in July.
  • Valerie and Panos worked to develop education or case studies on the need for metadata standards.
  • The group will work to develop best practices for implementation.
  • Valerie will provide information on metadata for learning resources.
  • Panos will provide some information on iCooper
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